Originally by: Keta Fraal

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Edited by: Keta Fraal on 12/01/2011 17:46:45
Things we know about Loughner:

1.He owned a gun

2.he went to school and dropped out

3.he had trouble getting a job and keeping it

4.he did not have many friends

5.he played mmos

6.he posted on forums and youtube

7.from his interaction with people, he was understood to be outside the norm .

8.he was angry at Giffords for some reason.

Edit: Oh no. i share all the traits in the list except nos. 1 and 8. I should be very careful!
In that list, where do you think the problem most lies.

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Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran

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So how exactly do the gun laws have no appreciable effect in the UK? I can go about my life with very little chance of being shot by an ex or by an enraged schoolkid and I don't have to worry about being shot walking down the street in a crossfire between a shop keeper and the crack head trying to rob him who have no experience or firearms training, I will likely never be shot by a cop who has pooped his pants after being attacked and fired off a whole clip but didn't actually hit the criminal he was shooting at.

People who support the gun madness in the US always claim that our laws make no difference when the reality is they do, most people in the UK will never even see a real firearm in person let alone be shot by one. Being able to go out and buy a gun would in no way enrich my life or give me any protection and I would rather take my chances at fending off an attacker that's waving a knife or baseball bat than a gun any day of the week.

The real issue in the US isn't the hardened criminals either the problem comes from the nutters or angry coworkers or jealous husbands or demented teenagers shooting up a school and that's the real cost of the gun madness, I mean c'mon the US didn't even get through the first month of the new year without a young child being killed in a mass shooting in a public place.

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Originally by: Intar Medris

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Another video games are to blame thread. Please do leave your left wing bull**** at home.

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Originally by: Herr Wilkus

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30,000 die in a year to firearms in the USA?

Seems high, but a very large % of them are young thugs killing other thugs over gang turf and drug markets. Violence in these areas tends to badly skew the data nationwide. Your average red-blooded NRA lifetime member tends to be far more responsible with firearms than the 'average American'.

States like New Hampshire or Wyoming that are mostly white and rural tend to have high rates of gun ownership, but relatively low rates of gun crime - go figure.

Sure, call me racist for bringing it up, but I get tired of people blaming stereotypical white American country boys and hunters for violence committed almost exclusively between gangs of minorities in the slums of LA.

If you could somehow take firearms away from these violence-prone racial groups - you'd see US gun crime rates crash overnight. Fact.

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Originally by: Herr Wilkus

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Mind you, I'm not terribly upset if gangbangers are killing each other. Some would even say that is one of the upsides of the 2nd Amendment, as dead criminals are much cheaper and easier for the justice system to process.

I just get the feeling that Europeans think American 'gun nuts' and imagine the sterotypical NRA member, gun show frequenter, deer hunter. Then they cite high levels of American gun violence. But 'gun nuts' as you call them, according to FBI crime statistics - aren't the ones creating the violence.

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